Aizen’s Reiatsu Restraints! Stern Ritter’s Rebellion – Bleach 623

Bleach 623 see’s Aizen’s reiatsu being restrained after Shunsui and Mayuri let Aizen test his own restraints out he finds out that Mayuri particularly made these to stop Aizen from escaping. Bazz-B, Giselle and Liltotto appear, they stab NaNaNa and form a rebellion to kill Yhwach for what he’s done to all of them.

Bleach 623 begins with the shield guarding Seireitei blowing a top, by which Aizen begins to use his power to target the Soul Palace, to completely destroy it from where it stands. Rukia tries to stop it when Shunsui stops her, however seconds later we see that Aizen’s powers have completely disappeared.

Shunsui steps in to say that his restrains can’t cancel out reiatsu, it only keeps it around him. The power required to cap his reiatsu is very strong. It’s Soul Society’s proudest achievement, they can’t have him making light of them as he refers to Mayuri who develop it.

Mayuri explains that reiatsu produces as long as the heart beats, it only stops when the heart stops. All the prisoners in mugen cannot be killed because there isn’t anyone who can kill them. That is why the restrains on Aizen were never intended to cancel his power, just to keep it around him, for them to keep his reiatsu in check.

Mayuri shows him a mechanism which controls the restrains on Aizen. Whether Aizen could actually shoot the Soul Palace down or not, his restraints will stop that from happening. However out of nowhere, Quincy energy appears on Aizen as NaNaNa appears mentioning that Aizen has too many holes by which he can just break him open.

NaNaNa uses his powers on him but Aizen still stays conscious. NaNaNa mentions that he’ll just leave him paralyzed, they couldn’t have Aizen shoot down the palace, where the King is. Shunsui asks what has happened to the door by which he mentions to Urahara to fix the door.

We see the undead also appear as Giselle also appears. Shunsui mentions that they agree on not destroying the palace, by which they’re there to not lend them a hand. NaNaNa agrees to not helping them. NaNaNa mentions that he’s going to kick all their ass when Bazz-B stabs NaNaNa in the back.

Bazz-B as well as Giselle and Liltotto all together mention that they’ll lend them a hand, the Vandenreich is something that exist in the shadows of Seireitei, if it was destroyed then they’d be trouble too. Bazz-B mentions that he wants compensation for helping them, as well as to take them to the Soul Palace, by this he wants to kill the man that deserted them, Yhwach! Bleach 623 ends here.

A surprising chapter, it seems that Bazz-B, Liltotto and Giselle are all onboard with this plan on killing Yhwach after what he did to all of them. A fantastic rebellion has begun and I can’t wait to see what happens in next week’s Bleach 624!

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  1. Bleach

    Good chapter, Kubo brought sternritter N just to show his useless power lmao. Other 3 are just wasting their time. They nees to fix the door and hurry up, hopefully not another 10 chapters.

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    1. Sunite

      Agreed, I thought most of these died. On top of which Bazz-B is one hell of a strong Quincy, fighting against the likes of Shinji, Toshiro and some others too. Liltotto and Bazz-B definitely strong, Giselle, not so sure.

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      1. Nick Dunn

        He and her are very powerful. Giselle is like Mayuri, he is the weakest Captain, but very hard to kill, she is one of the weakest Sternritter like Pepe, but also very hard to kill. I don’t believe Bazz-B ever fought Shinji, he just used Burner Finger 3, and Shinji used his Shikai to redirect the attack. At least Bazz-B isn’t acting like a dick too much.

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  2. rahmaru

    sometimes i feel it is more better if Bazz didn’t knock out Nanana because i’m really want to see Kyoraku to kick out all four of them at once…

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      1. Nick Dunn

        I have a feeling they are with BG9. Meninas isn’t dead. And if Robert and NaNaNa survived their injures from Byakuya’s Bankai, than Candice did too.

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  3. AJ

    this basically confirms that Yhwach cannot take their letter but some of the power from probably their spiritual spiritual power. It’s pretty obvious now that Yhwach just activates whatever letter that already resides in his/her sternritter.

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    1. Nick Dunn

      That’s what I said form the beginning. Yhwach’s Auswählen steals a Quincy’s Reiyoku, not Schrift ability. They still have it. They just needed to absorb more Reishi to replenish their powers. It seems Liltotto, Bazz-B, and Giselle are pissed. Don’t blame them. However, it could be a trap. I’m expecting Meninas, BG9, and Candice to join them. NaNaNa is a haxed mother fucker that’s for sure.

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      1. rahmaru

        how about Shaz Domino??? all letters are already been taken, so what the hell he is?…Loyd and Royd share the same letter because they are twin..so….

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        1. Nick Dunn

          I’m actually expecting Shaz to show up along with Meninas , BG9, and Candice. Sense they are not dead. Or Mrs. Black eyes as well. Or considering her relationship with Jugram, she might be up in the Soul Palace already.

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        1. Nick Dunn

          I guess so. But it seems pretty useless if you ask me. I don’t know, I think Jugram will confront these three before they do Yhwach.

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  4. rahmaru

    plus could it possible that Nanana also part of cheerleaders team along with Giselle and Liltotto because his full name is Nanana Najahkoop = NN…hahaha…no..i’m just kidding…but wonder why Brenice Gabrielli is the only female sternritter that doesn’t have the same alphabet for her first and her last name

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    1. Nick Dunn

      Bernice Gabriel didn’t seem to be apart of Liltotto’s crew. I actually liked her Schrift, it reminds me of As Nodt The Fear. I’m wondering of they are really gonna help the Shinigami once they get up their. Cause I’m not sure. They night be convinced by Jugram.

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  5. AJ

    Now I understand how byakuya beat Candy, Robert, and Nana..I can see Nana getting taken out first since he needs to hit you for his ability to work but since byakuya got this massive power up; I doubt he had any spiritual holes for Nana to tweak. I can see Robert getting put down next cause he’s mainly using a gun against a million petals but still unknown about his ability but I doubt its some type of energy related ability. Candice would be taken out last mainly because I can see her explosive thunderbolts and ability to turn into lightning helping her last a bit longer but I doubt she focuses on her blut for defense..we all know she’s hot tempered. So I understand now why those three were put down..Lil and Meni are just overall tanks. Still sad that I didn’t see her or Candice. ?

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    1. Nick Dunn

      Ya that makes more sense to how that battle too place. From what I see from The Underbelly, he needs to analyze you for a certain amount of time for his Schrift To work. When he fought Rojuro, they did fight for a while, so his Schrift did work on him. He used it to paralyze his Reiatsu, knock him out, and take him out that’s how he didn’t get injured fighting Rose. But with Byakuya, he just saw him, so he needed time to analyze his Reiatsu, but seeing how fast and strong Byakuya’s Bankai is, he did get taken out first. I’m just glad his Schrift is unique. BG9’s Schrift ability is when he extracts data from an opponent and finds a way to defeat them with the data he got. Out these three Sternritter, Liltotto is the strongest. For once, other than Toshiro, Bazz-B actually Burner Finger 1 someone for a good reason.

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  6. AJ

    I think Bg9 isn’t dead or someone else is his creator but I think that’s unlikely because of my theory about him having some type of lung disease and him putting some weight on that when he told sui he has never breathed so I think we will see him and hopefully the girls. I really wanted to know what shaz was going to say. We have yet to get “K” or “N”..something is going to happen next or some other way to explain their abilities.

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    1. Nick Dunn

      Most likely. I have a strange feeling that when the remaining Sternritter go up to the Soul Palace, Yhwach or Jugram will convince them. I don’t know.

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  7. AJ

    Oh and talk about how fuckin hax Nana is! Like he basically destroyed the “larger reiastu cancels out smaller reiastu effects” cause he damn sure paralyzed Aizen lol. I knew those 8 had to be the strongest out of the regular sternitter minus gremmy/ryod.

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    1. Bleach

      If you actually believe Aizen is affected even a little, I’m speechless. Sternritters don’t come close to Aizen’s level.

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      1. Nick Dunn

        Aizen liked surprised to me. He sure did when his Reiatsu was forced back into his own body. And now he is knocked out. He isn’t using his full power, so it doesn’t surprise me that NaNaNa was able to do that. I have never seen Mayuri interact with Aizen, he doesn’t seem the least bit intimidated by Aizen

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  8. AJ

    Oh and Underbelly = Vulnerable place or hidden place to attack. But what possessed Nana to have such ability inside of his soul? Anyway Kubo could have just gave him The Understand..I mean that would still make sense and its overall not as complex.

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    1. Nick Dunn

      Underbelly does mean weak point. It makes sense. The Understand seems too much like BG9 Schrift who i believe is The Knowledge. He doesn’t understand your ability, he just analysis your Reiatsu and pits you to sleep. BG9 understands your abilities with his Schrift.

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  9. AJ

    Holy fuck y’all lol…Kubo is setting Aizen up to free himself. If you go back and just read it one more time. The dialogue between Aizen and Mayuri is basically like he wanted mayuri to tell him more about that device..aizen was beating around the bush the entire time..and then Nana comes and tells him he thinks its because of that black suit that he has holes in his reiastu and what does he do he basically opens them; that’s probably where the other devices are located!..Kubo ain’t slick ?

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    1. Nick Dunn

      That’s possible. Or it seemed like Aizen wanted to challenge Mayuri and the advanced Kido he created. Either way, he will be freed, but he won’t be the one to do it.

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    2. Sunite

      Lool thats what I thought too, Mayuri would be dumb to show the control device and how it works etc. Even Aizen wanted to test the device he developed but NaNaNa appeared. Aizen will definitely escape, that’s for sure. It’s just a time of when it’ll happen.

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    3. dreager1

      Yes, I can’t wait until Aizen frees himself! WE both know that he would have overpowered it if the Quincies hadn’t attacked. Aizen is cunning and he knows that knowledge is power. That’s why he was able to manipulate everyone from the shadows.

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    4. trinin ninja

      Did you know kubo once said that he puts little bits of hints in each chapter? He said 1 out of 1000 people, who also happen to be extremely smart, would notice these tiny hints. You may just have noticed one of kubo’s hints! ?

      Ps. I will find out where i found this info.

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      1. Nick Dunn

        He actually does! I always try to find them! I found them only twice in this arc. That Rukia would fight As Nodt and use her Bankai. And again when Yhwach revived his Schutzstaffel. But man I wanna find more! You Found One too. You were right about the remaining Sternritter assisting the Shinigami, A.J was right too. Sense Liltotto screamed up, and her and Bazz-B didn’t want to die.

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  10. dreager1

    This was a decent chapter, but it’s too bad that the Captains fear Aizen so much. If they had let him out of the chair, Yhwach would already be gone along with the whole Soul Palace. I fully expect him to overpower the chair soon though and cause some chaos. As for Bazz B joining the winning side…sounds like a plan! It would be fun to see him take out Uryu or something, but I don’t see him defeating Bach…

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    1. Nick Dunn

      He will escape. But not now. The whole point of this chapter to where than the remaining Sternritter was that Aizen shouldn’t have tried to bring down the Soul Palace. That would have killed everyone, and Shunsui even said he didn’t want that to happen. I’m expecting Bazz-B and Liltotto to fight Uryu. Giselle, she can try and Zombie up some more grunts.

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      1. dreager1

        Aizen doesn’t care about collateral though so the plan made sense from his point of view. In fact, I’m shocked thatthe captains were against this. They likely don’t care about Ichigo and friends (Never have) so I was surprised that they care about the King and Squad Zero. Yamamoto likely would have given Aizen the okay. Aizen breaking free all DBZ style in the next chapter would be awesome. Then he can crush all who stand in his way. As for the quincies who have joined up, I just don’t think any of the fighters who aren’t Bazz B can really hold their own at this point. Especially considering how weakened they are. At least now we have the chance for the big Bazz B/Grimmjow team up that I’ve been hoping for.

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        1. Nick Dunn

          Well I’m not surprised you don’t think Liltotto is as strong as Bazz-B, when she clearly is. But hey, whatever. Bazz-B doesn’t stand a chance against the Schutzstaffel. He, Liltotto, and Giselle are just like the other Captains, they can’t handle the Schutzstaffel. But teaming up I see it. I knew Bazz-B vs Grimmjow would never happen. He is way too much like Grimmjow, and I find opponents who act so similar to be boring in a fight. Plus, Grimmjow has no business being in the Serietei, he needs to stay in Hueco Mundo were his home is. Same goes for the other Arrancar. I see Jugram speaking with these Sternritter.

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          1. dreager1

            You shouldn’t be. I always go for pure muscle power and brawn! Most of my favorite characters fall into those tropes. The Captains and Quincies can handle the Schutzstaffel guys. Not all of them of course, but the tough ones. Grimmjow can take over the Soul Society if he wanted, but he’ll be happy ruling Hueco Mundo. He doesn’t care much for positions of power anyway. Bazz B vs Grimmjow would have been awesome. It’s why the 50 episode Frieza vs Goku was so much fun. How can you not like pure power beat downs? Hopefully Ichigo arrives soon to end all of this though. Then Ichigo vs Aizen can finally happen and I can grab my popcorn!

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            1. Nick Dunn

              Considering the fact that Grimmjow is the 6th Espada, I highly doubt he can take over anything at this point. People really overrate him. And they still do. Harribel is the ruler of Hueco Mundo, and if she dies, Neliel is next sense she is stronger than Grimmjow. I do like muscle fights. They are cool. But if too characters are basically clones, that’s just plain boring to me. They can be similar, but with specific details different. Best example is Zaraki vs Nnoitra and Mayuri vs Szayel Aporro. Nnoitra is the way he is from his depression, while Zaraki is the way he is because he loves fighting. Mayuri and Szayel are scientists, but Szayel believes he is perfect, while Mayuri hates perfection for good reason. Bazz-B vs Renji is much better than Grimmjow. They are both hot head red heads, but they have differences. Renji likes wrong with Rukia, while Bazz-B needs to be outsmarted by Liltotto to team up with any Sternritter. I wanna see Yhwach vs Aizen! I’ll graphics my popcorn for that! Ichigo and friends are still falling? Orihime use Soten Kisshun!

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              1. dreager1

                Yes, but I wouldn’t consider Renji to be a power brawler. He uses his snake weapon, which is unique so it’s not the same. I like DBZ/Toriko style fights where you just pound the stuffing out of the opponent. As for Neliel being stronger than Grimmjow, I highly doubt that at this point. She hasn’t trained while he presumably has. I’m definitely waiting for those battles with Bach and Aizen!

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                1. Nick Dunn

                  I consider Neliel stronger because Kubo thinks so. When she fought Nnoitra after so many years, her body wasn’t used to her yet, so she was having trouble. I’m probably the only Bleach fan that’s more hyped to see Neliel Fight Than Grimmjow. We don’t k own what her Zanpakuto can actually do or what her aspect of death is. I can’t wait to see her fight.

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                  1. dreager1

                    She used to be stronger, but we can assume that she hasn’t gotten any stronger since then while Grimmjow has been training in Hueco Mundo, ready to roll. It would be good to see her Zanpakuto, but I’m not sure if she will get another fight coming up. Hopefully, but I don’t see most of the Espada/hollows doing anything coming up aside from Grimmjow and that’s just because he’s such a fan favorite.

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                    1. Nick Dunn

                      And that’s sucks. Grimmjow Really Has Nothing To show. Other than he got stronger. Neliel actually has plenty to show. And she is stronger than Grimmjow. He wouldn’t have been able to hold his own against Nnoitra the way she did. Plus her changing back wasn’t complete, she still was absorbing Reishi to replenish her full power, so she wants using her full strength when she fought Nnoitra. I see them both fighting. Actually, I kinda see Neliel saving Grimmjow, sense he had no clue who she really is when she was a child.

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                    2. dreager1

                      Grimmjow can show off his punches and speed lines. That’s all we need to show. Have you seen Goku’s new Super Saiyan form? You can argue that it has nothing to show apart from being stronger, but that’s the whole point. He can just punch the stuffing out of everyone and we can power scale to show how impressive that is. Nel was stronger than Grimmjow back in Arc 2. I still (almost) agree with that. I’m saying that since that arc ended, we’ve had 2 more. During this time, Nel has not trained as shown when she ran to Ichigo for help while Grimmjow has been getting stronger. I’m just about positive that he’s vastly superior to her at this point.

                      That being said, Grimmjow would have been able to have taken Nnoitra down with only moderate difficulty if he hasn’t been weakened during his fight with Ichigo. Likewise, Ichigo definitely could have beaten Nnoitra. Nnoitra was tough, but certainly not the most impressive of villains.

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                    3. Nick Dunn

                      That’s fine if you think that. It does make sense. I just don’t see it. Neliel has always impressed me. Plus she is very perceptive like Ulquiorra and Harribel. Considering Grimmjow is 6th and Nnoitra is 5th, he wouldn’t have been able to defeat him. Injure sure, but defeat? I don’t think so. Hell, cutting his Hierro seems very difficult, but Neliel and Zaraki did it with no trouble. I say right now, Grimmjow is as strong as Nnoitra, but Neliel, I see as strong or very close to Ulquiorra. And Harribel is still the strongest. Guess we will have to wait and see.

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                    4. dreager1

                      Er, we’re not counting any of Ulquiorra’s release forms right? With those, he’s easily the strongest Espada, I’d say. I’d put Neliel at around 4th. Ulquiorra 1st, Stark 2nd, Harribel 3rd, Neliel 4th, Grimmjow 5th, Nnoitra 6th, Barragon 7th (Dust was his only gimmick) Yammy 8th, Szuzel 9th, Aaroniero 10th.

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                    5. Nick Dunn

                      I will stick with Kubo on the Espada ranking. He ranked them based on level of Reiyoku / Reiatsu. Do His Ranking Is The Truth. The only one I don’t agree with is Yammy. The only reason he was the 0 Espada was because the more mad he gets, his Reiyoku increases and becomes stronger.

                      As for Ulquiorra, I don’t mind telling you what I think about his forms. His Segundo Etapa is not an increase of his powers. The only thing that form did was make him look more Hollow like, and made his Reiatsu more dark and feeling of empty. Uryu mentioned this, but he never said his Reiatsu increased in any way. He was still as fast, strong, and durable in his first form. And Aizen did know about his 2nd form, yet he kept him as 4th because he is. The other rankings are fine with me. I put Neliel right in between Harribel and Ulquiorra. I also put Dordoni with Zommari, Cirucci with Szayel, and Gantenbain with A.A

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                    6. dreager1

                      When was the last time you disagreed with Kubo on anything Bleach related though?

                      I completely disagreed with his Espada rankings and I just assume that Aizen was trolling. What? Ulquiorra’s abilities all vastly improved when he transformed. That’s why aura or reiatsu doesn’t matter all that much. It’s a little important, but that’s about it. He was vastly stronger in that form and it’s why he became stronger than the rest of the Espada and Bach. He was able to overpower Ichigo, which is something that only 1 other character can currently accomplish, Aizen.

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                    7. Nick Dunn

                      Many times. I personally don’t like how he has used his Sternritter and had to move things along much quicker. Its okay if you think Ulquiorra is so strong. I don’t think so and nether does Kubo. Stronger than Yhwach??? Man you must really like Ulquiorra if you think that. Kubo is the one that created them, if he said who’s stronger, than that’s how it is. Ulquiorra even said so himself that Starrk, Barragon, and Harribel are stronger than him. And Yhwach deferred Harribel with little difficulty. Ya because Ichigo was doing so well against Yhwach, he couldn’t even injure him. While fighting Aizen, he wasn’t even using his full potential, now he actually is and he still can’t hurt Yhwach.

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                    8. dreager1

                      I don’t mean disagree in how you would handle it, but disagreeing with something that he has stated. For instance, disagreeing with Bach being the strongest villain or Yamamoto being the strongest Captain until he died. Like, was there ever a time where you disagreed with a “fact” that Kubo mentioned through the characters?

                      Bach had thousands of foot soldiers with him. In a one on one fight, Harribel would have certainly defeated him at that point. Ulquiorra is my third favorite villain of the series and I do think that he is pretty awesome. He fought Ichigo almost to a stand still, which is enough for me to feel like he can give anyone a really good fight.

                      Ichigo was owning Bach. He cut off his arm, how was he not able to hurt him? Ichigo would have won, which is why Uryu had to step in and backstab everyone.

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                    9. Nick Dunn

                      Can you show me a page were Ichigo cut off Yhwach’s hand??? When? The only time Ichigo even remotely injured Yhwach was when he used Blut Vene, and he used Getsuga Tensho, which gave Yhwach Slight Injures. I don’t remember Ichigo curing off Yhwach’s Hand. His Shikai couldn’t cut through his Blut Vene. Probably the one thing I don’t agree that Kubo has mentioned is that Nnoitra said to Neliel that her 3 means nothing. And Bazz-B said he redirected Yamamoto’s flames, but he needs he did he had very bad burns. Its pretty obvious that no Espada can fight Yhwach, let alone a Captain or Royal Guard other than Ichibei. You do know Uryu stepped in because Yhwach mentioned Masaki, which would have put him off the edge, and force Yhwach to deal some damage.

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                    10. dreager1

                      Here

                      http://www.mangapanda.com/bleach/618/13

                      It was after Ichigo pushed aside his arm a few chapters ago. The panel on top seems as if Ichigo ripped his arm off. Everyone has high speed regen nowadays, but I’m confident that Bach lost his arm there. Look at the blood effects in the next panels.

                      Okay, I suppose that’ll fly. As for Uryu, I still think he’s just a double crossing traitor. He’ll likely have some reason for betraying everyone, but I’m not sure if I can buy it. He’ll need a line of really good excuses if he wants to win me over. Ulquirora or Grimmjow could fight Bach though. They’ve already proven themselves in the past.

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                    11. Nick Dunn

                      So when Yhwach ripped Mimihagi, I saw his right arm. He was completely fine. His arm is not cut off. This page proves nothing. Grimmjow and Ulquiorra vs Yhwach?? Man that sounds like major Fandom to me. They would be killed so fast it’s crazy. Comparing any Espada to Yhwach is ridiculous. I guess you really dislike Yhwach first you think these two can beat him. That’s so wrong I can’t even think about it.

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                    12. dreager1

                      Think of it like Captain Falcon. Nobody actually thought that he would be a universe buster. He was just a human right? then he did it in the anime. Things happen. That’s why Grimmjow and Ulquiorra can defeat him. I don’t like Bach as a character and think he’s overhyped, but I like him as an obstacle for Ichigo. He’s actually a decent villain.

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                    13. Nick Dunn

                      I like the comparison with Captain Falcon. But really?? You honestly think Ulquiorra and Grimmjow can take on Yhwach?? If That’s True, How Come Grimmjow didn’t help Harribel fight Yhwach if that’s the case? Harribel is stronger than Ulquiorra, so according to you, her and Grimmjow can beat Yhwach. I like Yhwach very much. I like him much more than Aizen that’s for sure. I like how he isn’t as arrogant as Aizen and I love how much a better villain he is compared to Aizen.

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                    14. dreager1

                      We don’t know any of the circumstances of what happened in Hueco Mundo. For all we know, Grimmjow was away. Also, I still consider Ulquiorra and Grimmojw to be stronger than Harribel. That being said, Harribel could certainly give him a spectacular fight. I’d say that the only thing Bach is better at than Aizen is grabbing his throne in his very first appearance. Beyond that, Aizen all the way.

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                    15. Nick Dunn

                      Another thing I don’t like about Kubo is how he made Harribel look, he gave her so little hype that fans like you think two other lower ranking Espada are stronger than her. Man I feel bad her her, you really think she’s weaker than Ulquiorra and Grimmjow?! Really? If that’s true, why isn’t Grimmjow the ruler of Hueco Mundo? Peche said she is the ruler because she is the strongest left, not Grimmjow. But hey, I can’t compete with fanbase beliefs, don’t worry Harribel, I’ll still give you the hype you deserve!

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                    16. dreager1

                      Grimmjow doesn’t want to be leader, that’s really all there is to it. Kubo gave Harribel her props, she simply isn’t a match for the others. Aizen is awesome, but even he wouldn’t have beaten Ulquiorra and Grimmjow as easily as he took Harribel down. She is certainly weaker than the other two and I think that Stark can probably beat her, but a case can be made for her actually being third. It’s certainly possible I suppose.

                      And yes, the fanbase has surpassed the Author once more. It’s inevitable for all great fanbases as the fanbase is much bigger than one person could ever be. Look at the Ridley4Smash movement. Sakurai admitted that he would never make Ridley playable, but the DLC announcement is only a matter of time from now. Ridley will certainly win in the polls, but he’ll likely just say that he’ll be ignoring the top spot. Sakurai already lied about the no more paid DLC issue so even he had to buckle under the fans. The fans ultimately have the power.

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                    17. Nick Dunn

                      Well its okay if you think that. I don’t know how you came up with that match up sense Aizen can just Reiatsu crush Grimmjow like he did during the Espada meeting. I like Harribel much more than Ulquiorra or Grimmjow. I love her reason for becoming an Arrancar. Well I’m one of the few people who stick up for the unpopular female characters in Bleach. They have potential and I love them. Kubo even said he was so surprised Grimmjow was so popular, considering his douchbag personality. And I would like to add, just because a character has had more screen time to fight, doesn’t make them the strongest.

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                    18. dreager1

                      Well, that is Aizen. Still, those tricks don’t work on Grimmjow twice. The more screen time the better. It doesn’t always make you the strongest, but it sure helps. I like Harribel, it just doesn’t meant that I consider her to be stronger than Ulquiorra and Grimmjow. I don’t like Liliotto or the others though, but that’s another story. Grimmjow may seem mean, but it just hides his compassionate heart on the inside. He’s a nice guy when it all boils down to it. Look at how he helped Nel and saved Orihime. He’s a guy that you can trust.

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                    19. Nick Dunn

                      And this fine. Your one of the few people who love Bleach fanbase that are level headed. The others I have spoken too are so mean and very offensive. I just don’t think it’s right to judge other charters because they don’t have enough screen time. Byakuya has the most screen time from the Captains, and Unohana has the least yet she is much more powerful than him. Grimmjow is nice currently. He only helped Orihime for his own needs. He threatened to kill Neliel if she didn’t be quite and she was a child. He used them for his own needs. He isn’t the nicest Espada. I trust Harribel and Neliel more. But now he is okay.

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                    20. dreager1

                      Yeah, there certainly are a lot of mean and crude fans out there. It’s why I make it a point to never actually insult a fellow poster even in disagreement or to use any swear words. That and I’m a Christian so it’s simply how I live my life on and offline.

                      I guess I’m just used to judging characters for not appearing much. The One Above All, Presence, and Living Tribunal have helped to jade my impressions on characters who talk really tough, but rarely appear. I just feel like the hype ultimately goes to waste. Unohana is a great example of this for me. The wait simply was not worth it. I’d prefer for her to have less hype and to have fought 4-5 times instead of the great hype, but only 1 true fight. I do believe that Byakuya is stronger than her before the time skip and after, but Unohana is certainly known to be very powerful.

                      Grimmjow was definitely bluffing when he threatened Nel. It’s like Kurogane threatening Mokona in Tsubasa or Ichigo and Kon. It’s more of a comic relief thing and he just wanted her to be quiet. Grimmjow would never attack a kid! Orihime was certainly for his own purposes, but he was still going to let her live and walk away after he finished with Ichigo. He’s not the kind of guy who just messes with opponents who aren’t his main prey. Are you familiar with Nura Rise of the Yokai Clan? There’s a character named Tsuchigume who’s just like Grimmjow. He is a villain to be sure, but a very honorable one who would never hurt someone who wasn’t his main opponent. Nel is nicer than Grimmjow. I mean, she’s actually a good person so that makes sense. Harribel…..I think that’s a lot more fishy. She’s trust worthy as she wouldn’t lie, but I don’t see her taking the side of a hero either. I think she wouldn’t be past hitting an enemy who’s down or a child as it is the tactically wise thing to do in a situation and she is a very logical fighter.

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                    21. Nick Dunn

                      He looked serious to me, him blowing off Nel’s head didn’t seem like comic relief to me. But I just think Neliel and Harribel are more reasonable than him. That’s why I’m expecting alot form Neliel in this arc.

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  11. trinin ninja

    im glad that my prediction came true. In bleach 621, i predicted that the remaining sternritter in soul society would assist the shinigami. This gives the quincy a chance to go all out and use their abilities to the fullest.

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      1. trinin ninja

        As you previously said, it probably would not seem right for arrancar to be in soul society, but what about the arrancar that yhwach hired? how do you feel about them in soul society?

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        1. Nick Dunn

          That’s a tricky one. I mean the only ones we have seen were Asguiaro Ebern and Luders Friegen. If they come to the Serietei, it might be to fight the now rebelling Sternritter. Or they are in Hueco Mundo with the Jagdarmee fighting the Arrancar and hopefully Fullbringers.

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  12. AJ

    Wait hold on so some of you are stuck on bazz b being the strongest out of that group?! I don’t see it at all. Bazz and Candice are basically on the same level. Both have fire power and are versatile; honestly see him losing an arm just like Candice if he were to try and stop that Double Getsuga and losing to byakuya as well. Liltotto should be the strongest there. Maybe kubo should have displayed more between the girls and even Nana/Robert.

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    1. dreager1

      Yes, I’d say that Bazz B is the strongest in the group. The other members simply haven’t proven themselves yet although I’m sure that they’re still decently tough.

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      1. Nick Dunn

        That’s Fine. I say Liltotto is. She certainly is the smartest that’s for sure. Bazz-B is one of the dumbest Sternritter to date. But he can be rational.

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        1. dreager1

          No, there has been nothing to suggest that Bazz B is dumb at all. If anything, we know that he is rather smart from how he handled Hitsugaya and Yamamoto. His abilities may make him seem to be “dumb” since fire is associated with that at times, but not to me. He’s tactically brilliant in fights. Maybe in conventional knowledge he wouldn’t be as bright as the others, but that’s why he’s the stongest one.

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          1. Nick Dunn

            I consider him kinda dumb because he attacked Yamamoto with As Nodt and NaNaNa in the first place. Royd said they were foolish to get involved and they were. I did like how he protected them, but still that was stupid. I also did like how he handled Toshiro. But he isn’t very smart. While Liltotto has proven to be much smarter. She is the one that came up with the idea to kill either Zaraki or Gremmy after their fight. While Bazz-B had to hear it from loud mouth Shinji. Than he attacks Liltotto’s crew with his Vollständig, because he thinks he can fight Ichigo even when Candice couldn’t injure him. I also thought it was stupid of him to try and speak with Yhwach about Uryu, he even tired to attack Jugram, and we all know he would have been defeated. He did however, stop when Askin came. He knows how dangerous he is.

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            1. dreager1

              Deciding to destroy Zaraki after he was severely weakened is not a sign of intelligence. It’s just making the obvious call and it can only be made if you have no honor. Grimmjow wouldn’t do it or any other respectable villain for that matter. Bazz B has guts, which is why he’s more likable than 90% of the other characters. At least he tries right? The others don’t mind just standing in line and doing whatever Bach wishes.

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              1. Nick Dunn

                No honor??? Dude this is a war, who the hell said you have to be honorable. You really think it’s stupid for Liltotto’s crew to kill the biggest threat to their leader other than Ichigo? I do like Bazz-B’s rebellious attitude, but they way he does it annoys be because he is such a dick. Candice has guts too for fighting Ichigo on her own, yet she isn’t as popular as Bazz-B, yet they have very similar personalities. Grimmjow would definitely do it. He has pride issues, and when Ichigo stopped holding back, he took him down and Grimmjow couldn’t except it.

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                1. dreager1

                  It’s not said, it’s just an unspoken agreement. Cool characters keep their honor no matter what. It’s why Sanji could not kick a girl even when he was being beaten to death in One Piece. Some characters put their honor above all else and it’s a very noble creed. Candice isn’t popular because of her personality and the fact that she has not proven herself. She has gotten no hype because she has deserved none up to this point. When she has a one on one fight with someone with no backup to help her, then she can finally earn some respect, but I don’t see her actually doing that. Grimmjow wouldn’t attack someone when they were weakened. Have you forgotten how he healed Ichigo before they fought? Grimmjow is honorable and he would never pull the stunts that Bach and his men have done. That’s what separates the true villains from the ones who are just unnecessarily dramatic.

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                2. Nick Dunn

                  Grimmjow Has Down That. According to his return, he attacked Quilge Opie from behind. That wasn’t a fair fight first I might add. Bazz-B sure hasn’t shown this honorable trait. If he did, he wouldn’t have attacked his own allies for his own ego. He needed to be told off by Liltotto to work with them. I believe the only other Sternritter to show some honor is Liltotto. She killed Pepe Waccabrada for what he did to her and Meninas, she defeated Meninas but didn’t kill her because it’s not her fault. When Auswählen came, she pushed Giselle out of the way. She is the only Sternritter to be shown actually helping another Sternritter. The other is Giselle helping Candice’s left arm, Bazz-B protecting himself, As Nodt, and NaNaNa from being killed by Yamamoto’s Shikai, and Gerard catching Pernida when she was “falling” off the palace.

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                  1. dreager1

                    Huh, this reply’s a bit late since it didn’t show up in my notifications box. I just ran across it by accident! Opie was in his way so I don’t think Grimmjow counted it as a fight at the time. He was just interested in fighting Ichigo. I think Bazz B likes fair fights, but protecting himself is his top priority. I don’t think honor and helping allies go hand in hand. To clarify that, helping others Is honorable so I will give Gerard props for that. Avenging her friends would be good for Liltotto typically..but I think she was just upset that Pepe actually pulled such a stunt on her, not so much because it was her friends. But, I wouldn’t say that Bazz B isn’t honorable simply because he didn’t help his friends. He’s still a villain, but it would have certainly helped his case more if he had done so.

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                    1. Nick Dunn

                      Makes sense to me. I like to put myself in these characters shoes. If I was Liltotto, I wouldn’t like if my own ally attacked for for the hell of it, or snipe me while using his full power to loo cooler. I liked how Kubo molded her as a character. As a little girl, people look down or don’t expect much from her. But I like her a lot and I’m glad she is apart of the remaining Shinigami like Bazz-B and Giselle.

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  13. AJ

    Honestly I think I’m going to go with my theory that Tier will be a brainwashed quincicar leading an army of them. That should level out the playing field. I see no one has peeped what mayuri said about a dozen of others being down in the muken. Makes me wonder if its more cloase to immortal like beings like Aizen.

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    1. Nick Dunn

      That’s what I think. Liltotto is the strongest Sternritter at the moment. Very possible about Harribel and the other Arrancar

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  14. trinin ninja

    in the bleach novel, “spirits are forever with you”, there is some info about some of the other beings in muken, like the 8th kenpachi.

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    1. Nick Dunn

      Ya, his name is Azashiro. I don’t know if he is canon or not, but everything Kubo said in the novels are canon. Like you mentioned before, he wanted Zaraki to be away from Aizen. Also, the 7th Kenpachi looks alot like Ginjou, and his Zanpakuto had a similar ability to Ginjou’s Fullbring Cross of Stafford.

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        1. Nick Dunn

          That sounds like something he would do. We have to know how long Ginjou has been a Substitute Shinigami. But I guess they just look similar. Kubo is such a troll 😉

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  15. trinin ninja

    Bazz-B and Liltotto may end up being a couple like renji and rukia, if not ichigo and rukia. Like renji, bazz is a hot head (literally) who does not think about his actions (he has already murdered many soul reapers yet he wants to side with them now without asking for a pardon). liltotto and rukia are more level-headed. I like rukia and ichigo but if that relationship does not form, then i could see renji with rukia. Next chapter it would be cool to see some dialogue from liltotto about the fact that they ruthlessly killed soul reapers. Maybe like, “the enemy of your enemy is your friend so you dont need to forgive us for murdering your comrades because we wont forgive you for killing ours” ?

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    1. AJ

      Ughh..I can totally see the comparison but a couple? Lol. Lil is basically a child brainiac who probably doesn’t even care about bazz but food? Yes. I can see Meninas and Bazz or Candice but I think Candice and Grimm might get together hence her last name and him being a feline. I do see a lot of tag teams. Possibility of Bazz/Renji, Lil/Rukia, Gigi+Zombietta(if she is able to fight without a head)/Mayuri+His Zombies, Meninas/Chad, Candice/Grimm or Candice/Yoruichi( I think Yoru will fight along side Sui or her brother tho) Nel/Orihime, Tres Bestias/Riruka or random fb, Shunsui/Ukitake, Random Vizard pairs, Mashiro/Hisagi, Bg9/Shaz?, Byakuya/Kenpachi, kukkaku/brother, isshin/ryuken. Other FB and Unknown Arrancar or something idk.

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      1. Nick Dunn

        Their are so many good guys heading up to the Royal Realm, I don’t believe Kubo will do that. I think for some reason, Jugram might convince the remaining Sternritter why Yhwach did what he did. That’s what I think.

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      2. trinin ninja

        hopefully kubo does something with these potential tagteams. I want to see reniji/bazz team up and hisagi’s bankai. I wonder if yachiro is going to show up because i’ve noticed that zaraki is no longer upset about her disappearance. Can ukitake still function as a soul reaper? if he can then i could see him teamup with kyoraku. I like your list of tagteams; it’s creative.

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        1. Nick Dunn

          Kubo is gonna have to explain b why Yachiru and Rangiku are gone. I found out Aizen stole Rangiku’s Reiyoku. So she could have been as strong as Gin if he didn’t do that to her. Tag Teams Seem Right When Ya’ll Day Them 😉

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    2. Nick Dunn

      Liltotto has shown to care for her allies. I don’t believe she just cares for food. She saved Giselle from Auswählen. Bazz-B needs to think before he helps any of his allies. And I do believe the reason Kubo made him speak in this chapter was fan service. Liltotto would have been a between choice to speak in my opinion. Sense she screamed up to Yhwach so emotionally

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  16. AJ

    I don’t see that happening. I think bazz doesn’t trust Blondie anymore. Whenever uryu got promoted or whatever bazz clearly showed some resentment towards him and Yhwach. I don’t think that shit sat well with liltotto either. We don’t know what will happen next but let’s be honest Yhwach has something up his sleave. He’s already twice as powerful as he was from absorbing the right hand…plus he has Yammas Zan.

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    1. trinin ninja

      I truly thought i saw ichibei’s ink on yhwach’s medallion. Doesn’t that mean that it can no longer be useful because ichibei said that whatever his ink covers loses its name and power.

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    2. Nick Dunn

      As for couples I don’t know. Kubo doesn’t work with those. I do however, like the comparison between Renji and Rukia with Bazz-B and Liltotto. I just think they might change their minds, considering their are very little bad guys that Kubo said would appear in the last battle.

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      1. AJ

        That doesn’t necessarily mean that we won’t get any new sterns. Like I said we don’t know what kubo will do but if he made a whole chapter of them pledging that they will destroy Yhwach I think its unlikely that they will turn back evil.

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        1. Nick Dunn

          Probably. More likely is I see the Sternritter already their changing their minds than Yhwach pulling more Quincy out of nowhere aka Nianzol Weizol.

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  17. AJ

    Why would they change their minds lol. They already did once. And I think Yhwach can revive some folks. I still believe Hubert and Co. Have a role to play out since they were introduced to us through yamma’s bankai. I just don’t see the remaining sternritters switching back again that’s just dumb on kubos end IMO. I think we will see some old people quincies and quincicars for backup.

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    1. Nick Dunn

      Well that’s just what I think Is all. Yhwach could give the remaining Sternritter more Reiyoku. I don’t know, I just think it’s hopeless for them to fight the Schutzstaffel.

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  18. trinin ninja

    It would make sense in my opinion if yhwach lost yamaji’s bankai because if he still had it then it probably would not be a good idea, story wise, if the villain is too powerful because when the main protagonist defeats him, all his credibility is thrown out the window and into the dumpster. Lol

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    1. Nick Dunn

      I guess so. That would be a twist. But remember, however holds Yamamoto’s Bankai can only resurrect the ones they killed. Yhwach said when he stole his Bankai that he could resurrect the Shinigami he has killed. While Yamamoto resurrects the Quincy he has killed.

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      1. trinin ninja

        I guess if yhwach can use yamaji’s bankai, then he would be able to create more enemies for the rebellious sternritter to fight against, but yhwach already has an army of mini-mimihagis running around so the rebel sternritter would have to go through them first, then the elite sternritter, then uryu/jugram, then they would be able to confront yhwach before he effortlessly defeats them.

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          1. AJ

            I know how you feel but we’ve seen how kubo has changed his route. I wanted to see a lot of match ups as well as that one. I wanted to see Candice vs Yoruichi and Orihime vs Gigi lol but that will never happen ?.

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        1. Bleach

          Yhwach 100% lost Yamamoto’s Bankai. When a Shinigami dies, their powers/abilities and Zanpakto also die. Yhwach only has the Almighty power and Soul King power (which is useless IMO, not helpful at all in combat. Only good of balancing souls and seeing future events to extent).

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              1. Nick Dunn

                Actually that’s not true. Trinin your right for thinking it, even though Chojiro died, his Bankai was still used by Driscoll Berci. So the fact that Yamamoto is dead doesn’t mean anything, Yhwach still has his Bankai. What he is gonna use it for is unknown. Sense he is so powerful he clearly doesn’t need it.

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  19. trinin ninja

    As for couples in bleach, I happened to think that kubo was slightly hinting a possible relationship between nnoitra and nel. They both momentarily froze right before they hit each other and at the time of nnoitta’s death, nel awoke just in time to see nnoitra while nnoitra dies while seeing nel for the last time. This essentially means the first thing nel saw was nnoitra and the last thing nnoitra saw was nel (sounds more poetic/romantic this way in my opinion).

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    1. Nick Dunn

      That’s so true, and I’m not surprised I’ve seen so many fan arts of those two. Its way better than Neliel and Grimmjow. I Doubt Someone Like Her Would Get Along With A Dick Like Grimmjow. But ya I have seen it, I kinda ship a few characters together. Rukia and Renji. Ichigo and Orihime, Yoruichi and Kisuke, Stark and Harribel, Bazz-B and Candice or Cang Du, Kensei and Shuuhei, and Ginn and Rangiku.

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    1. AJ

      Why not stark and tier…they both have sex appeal and I never noticed that weird relationship between nel and nnoitra..I guess his pride and disdain for women was just so much for him to actually like her. Sad really but I wonder if its any females in the muken?

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      1. Nick Dunn

        Ya Nnoitra was a little sexist. But to certain woman like Neliel and Orihime, but he backs off with Harribel. Starrk and Harribel are so beautiful I love that shipping. Any females in Muken? Other than Unohana? Or Azashiro’s Zanpakuto Uro Zakuro. 😉

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    2. Nick Dunn

      Ya I like that paring. I believe out of all the Espada, Stark got along with Harribel the best. Considering she cares deeply for her Fraccion just like him. I think he also got along with Ulquiorra and Zommari. He was okay with Barragon, sense he was deeply affected by his death. He didn’t seem to care for Szayel Aporro and A.A or fake Kaien Shiba. He seemed annoyed by Nnoitra, which can include Grimmjow.

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      1. AJ

        I think she respected him as well. When she stated he cared about lilynette. Maybe they could have ruled together obviously he would be too lazy to do some things while she would.

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    1. Nick Dunn

      Ya. They aren’t dead and BG9 isn’t either. And the unknown Shaz Domino. I believe those four are showing up later. I kinda wished Liltotto and Bazz-B would have explained to NaNaNa what they were up to. Instead of Killing him off thus way.

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        1. Nick Dunn

          Kinda felt bad for him, I would have liked him to be apart of the rebellion. But hey at least we got Meninas, BG9, Candice, and I guess Shaz Domino. I believe Mrs. Black eyes is up their in Jugram’s Shadow. She looks like a medic to me.

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  20. Josephia Jeremiah Bhwanah

    Nick & dreager1, I really enjoyed reading your comments on your debate earlier, so many comments have already passed by but i thought i should commend both of u for having a go at each other like that without any outburst & for maintaining that bit of curtsy of respecting ones opinion, its amazing that u see things from entirely different perspective & yet still manage to go at each other & with no harm done..way to go guys..& btw, stark & harribel perfect combo that one! or at-least would have been…
    & dreager1, no matter how far our ideas,perception & theories stretch as to how we view bleach characters, we can never challenge the original idea that is Kubo since its his story, especially for things that he has already lay out(like espada ranks) we can only be subjected to debate on things that havent been made clear or mentioned yet..So if u were to say Grimmjow is the strongest espada, wel, thats basically ur opinion on how u perceived him, but according to Kubo’s last released databook, Stark is the second strongest to “Yami” if he goes zero, & the rest follow the trend based on how they were ranked..Ulquiorra third release didnt make him any stronger than the top three espadas, even he admitted when he first fought Ichigo & killed him only for orihime to revive him that even if he managed to kill him, there r still 3 more espadas that r even stronger than him, if there is anything to say about Ulquiorra,s third release is that it rather illustrates more of the aspect he representes.. further”despair” upon his enemies, if his first release was despair, then the second would be total despair with his Reiatsu being more dark & further induce that feeling of emptiness as thou one is stranded in it(i bet thats how Uryu felt Ulquiorra reiatsu was like), & even so, with his third transformation he still wasn’t strong enough since he was defeated by the “White” ichigo’s hollow), & using Ichigo as a measure of ulquiorra’s strength it just isnt right since ichigo wasnt that strong until now(he constantly had to relie on the strength of his bankai to fight opponents that he wasnt suppose to resort to it in the first place..& just make my point, The “White”(Ichigo’s hollow) that defeated Ulquiorra as he was nothing fought Ishiin in shikai in the past & was nearly killed only for Aizen to land a sneak attack behind Ishiin to stop that froam happening, so if u think ulquiorra is strong simply because he put on a good showing on a fight btn him & Ichigo, & u rank Stark lower than him simply because he was defeated by Shunsui in shikai & coz he has the third release, let me just tell you that the same could have happened to Ulquiorra even with his “Segunda Etapa”..

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    1. Nick Dunn

      Thanks Josephia! Ya I try to be respectful of others opinions like in my last debate with the awesome dreager1. He is cool and I like speaking with him, just like you all Sunite, A.J, Trinin, Bleach, and Steve O. Ya’ll are all so cool! That’s why I come here, Sunite created this awesome blog for intelligent people to speak their minds with no I’ll temperament. 😉 I do agree with you about the Espada. Out of all the characters Kubo has created, the Espada is one thing that’s not very debatable. Considering that he ranked them based on Reiatsu and it’s all accurate. Even if Ulquiorra has Segundo Etapa, like you said Josephia, it didn’t make him any stronger, it made him look more like a Hollow and represent true emptiness and despair. I’m his Ressreccion, other than his bar wings and his horn helmet, he wears a white trench coat and black shoes. But I’m his Segundo Etapa, he gains black fur, black blood lines, bat eyes and devil horns, a long tail, and bat like feet. Ya the Hollow White was a Vasto Lorde like the top three Espada were “Barragan, Harribel, and Ulquiorra” But he still defeated him. And ya Isshin would have killed White if not for Aizen, and Masaki actually did kill him with her powers.

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  21. trinin ninja

    There is something that bothered me for quite a while now and ive never really talked about it on the internet , but you guys have reminded me of it. When ulquiorra said, “Even if you defeat me, there are three who are stronger than me” he was referring to the top three, right? If that was the case, then why did ulquiorra not include yammy (the zero espada)?
    Another thing that bothered me was if segunda etapa did not increase ulquiorra’s strength, then why did his lanza spear seem so powerful?

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    1. Nick Dunn

      I can answer your question Trinin! 🙂 Ulquiorra was referring to Starrk, Barragon, and Harribel. But with Yammy he is a special case. His Reiatsu is at basic Espada level. But he needs to gain the Reiatsu needed t use his Ressreccion. He eats and sleeps alot, increasing his Reiatsu. At the time when Ulquiorra said this, Yammy wasn’t at his full potential. It wasn’t until Yammy attacked Uryu and Rudburn, and fought Rukia, Renji, and Chad. And

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        Oh and about Ulquiorra, it seems his Lanza Del Relanpago, is his strongest technique. He doesn’t have full control over it, and when he fired it at White, he missed by a hair and White didn’t even move. I believe he can use this attack in his Ressreccion, because in his Segundo Etapa, he can use other attacks that he already used I’m his Ressreccion, like Cero Oscuros, Lanza De La Luz, and Regeneration.

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  22. Josephia Jeremiah Bhwanah

    its not that “segunda etapa” did not increase Ulquiorra’s strength, but rather it didnt increase the Reiryoku that he already possessed since espadas were ranked based on the spiritual power they possess..so “segunda etapa” is Ulquiorra’s pinnacle strength(reiatsu)/true power…

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    1. Nick Dunn

      Ya it’s a special ability in my opinion. I don’t know why Kubo gave him two forms if they don’t have any difference in Reiyoku. I personally like his Ressreccion form better. And I don’t know of Grimmjow will get a Segundo Etapa, but sense he was wasn’t a Vasto Lorde, I doubt he can get one.

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  23. trinin ninja

    I understand all the points that you have made, Nick and Josephia. I am not trying to change your minds when i bring up these things. Can you also help me understand why did uryu say that it felt like an ocean when he was near ulquiorra in his segunda etapa form? Doesnt that mean ulquoirra’s reiatsu increased compared to his first release or not (although uryu never sensed ulquiorra’s first release form)?

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    1. Nick Dunn

      Well he did sense his Reiatsu. When he said it feels like an ocean above, he said it made him feel like it was an ocean. The ocean of emptiness that he could swim through, Orihime felt the same way. Remember when the black green Reiatsu moved down to Uryu and Orihime? If his Reiatsu did increase, they would have been forced to take a knee or feel like they couldn’t stand up. When Zaraki releases his Reiatsu, everyone feels it differently than how they did with Ulquiorra. Another example of this feeling was when the Tres Beasties used Ayon. Rangiku said its Reiatsu made her feel like she was falling and could never stop. Ichigo first fought Zaraki, he felt like he was being stabbed. Nanao got very sick when she felt Yamamoto’s Reiatsu. Even Quincy can do this. Before Rukia fought As Nodt, she felt like he was touching her.

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  24. Josephia Jeremiah Bhwanah

    i think its was cool that Kubo gave Ulquiorra two forms given the aspect he presented “Despair”, just when his opponent think he is done with his first form he goes into another to throw his opponent into further “Despair”, And as Nick explained above(cant help agreeing with this lad in most things hehe!) that feeling Uryu felt when he felt Ulquiorra’s reiatsu in his final form, the way i see it its not that he felt his reiatsu was huge like an ocean but rather the aspect Ulquiorra represents was reflected in his reiatsu & made him felt as thou his reiatsu was huge as the ocean that he was stranded into, the feeling of emptiness & despair comes from the fact that one feels like he is trapped & have no means getting out of the vast ocean, Same as how Zaraki bloodthirsty intent was reflected in his reiatsu when he first met Ichigo, Ichigo felt like he was already stabbed even thou he wasnt…

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    1. Nick Dunn

      Yes that’s what I was trying to say! Wow Josephia! Your good at explaining things! And I also agree with many things you say 🙂 The comparison with emptiness and being trapped in an ocean is so perceptive!

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  25. Josephia Jeremiah Bhwanah

    And while we are still at this “reiatsu” topic, why is that of almost all characters in bleach, i have never seen Ukitake nor Shunsui actually releasing their reiatsu like how others do, is it coz of the fact that the have an even better control of their reiatsu than the rest or wat? coz even wen they fight, u dont see them using it to intimidate their opponents..

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    1. Nick Dunn

      Well that’s a good question. I’m assuming it’s because they are so powerful, they don’t need to do that. Same to Unohana. We actually have seen Shunsui use his Reiatsu. When his Shikai Katen Kyokotsu, finally decided to listen to him and use its full potential against Starrk, Love and Rose sensed his Shikai’s Reiatsu increasing in range, and they were forced to leave the area, or else they would be forced to play the games like Starrk.

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  26. trinin ninja

    I just thought of a cool plot for the next bleach movie if Kubo decides to make one: the prisoners of the muken have escaped and it is up the soul reapers, rebel quincies, reformed arrancar, vizards, world of the living, and ichigo and his allies to either stop or kill all of them. But first they must find all the prisoners.
    What do you guys think?

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    1. Nick Dunn

      Dude that’s awesome! I would love that! Cause Kubo has made movies of things he has mentioned in the manga. The Hell Verse was perfect because we only saw hell like once. I guess the rebel Quincy would be Liltotto, Bazz-B, Giselle, Candice, Meninas, and BG9? Maybe NaNaNa if he isn’t already dead. I like that idea! And dude I love the link you posted with Elite Ace! I forgot he did a video about The Spirits Are Forever With You. It really makes you think that Zaraki is that powerful. Not even Azashiro can defeat him, and it makes total sense that Zaraki wanted a stranger eye patch. The only Kenpachi that can even defeat Zaraki is Unohana, and she can be added to the lost of Shinigami that Aizen doesn’t want to fight.

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      1. trinin ninja

        Thanks Nick. I really appreciate it. i wonder who would be victorious if unohana fought the 8th kenpachi? Im guessing unohana because she beat zaraki and zaraki beat the 8th kenpachi with his reiatsu-enforced inside but the 8th kenpachi had some hard-to-counter abilities to say the least so i have no idea how unohana would overcome his abilities like zaraki did…?

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        1. Nick Dunn

          No problem my friend :). I believe Unohana would defeat Azashiro. I believe she, along with Shunsui, Jushiro, Yamamoto, and Kirio were the only Captains not trying to fight Azashiro during his rebellion. We need to find out what her Zanpakuto Minazuki can do. I doubt he would be able to fuse with her body sense she has a very massive about of Reiatsu.

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  27. Josephia Jeremiah Bhwanah

    trinin ninja, u once posted this
    “i found one bleach reviewer (a good one in my opinion) that elaborates more about the hints that Kubo puts into his manga.”

    i actually didnt have tym to look into it at first but now that i have, here is wat i have say…
    Of all Soul reapers, i actually find Kenpachi Zaraki to be quite intriguing, I personally think of all Soul reapers, Kenpachi Zaraki has the strongest life-force/resilience/Willpower all in one, i think thats why he has the reiatsu he has coz his Reiryoku is just so strong…Growing up in the most lawless region of Rukongai must really done a number on him, relie-ing on his survival instincts to survive all his life to a point where he actually came to embrace it & thout it was a fun way of living, i mean as strong as he is & to think that he has no any formal training or apparent skill from Shiro academy & the fact that he develop his swordsmanship skills based only on his fighting instincts & survival skills & his experience in district 80, thats jst something, & wat is more interesting is that even then when he was still in district 80 in Rukongai, he killed numerous opponents to a point where he thout his battles came so easy for him to a point where he subconsciously sealed his power to make his fights last longer, its said that this was the very reason why he even lost the first battle with Unohana in the first place hence why Unohana always thout Kenpachi Zaraki was always stronger than him even as a child…
    I think wen he became captain of the Gotei 13, somehow he became abit dull due to lack of action & the fact that the society made it difficult for him to become even stronger coz they feared his true potential…he even admits it himself wen fought the 5th espada that the fact that he couldnt cut him at first was coz he was dull due to lack of serious action, trying out his sword while he was at it to cut through air & finally thank him making him regain his grip..Unohana also said the same thing wen he fought Zaraki the 2nd time at the beginning wen he was giving him a serious beat-down that he wasnt as strong as wen they first fought wen he was a child…
    Now that i have given that short brief about Kenpachi Zaraki, i can now confidently say that he is the strongest Kenpachi, i would favour Unohana 2nd coz of her seniority & the fact that she is the first Kenpachi & also coz of the fact that no other Kenpachi that followed after her seeked out for a challenge of the title, i would put Azachiro 3rd only coz i dont know much about him thou from the little that i know of him to be frank i think he has even more sick abilities than Unohana’s, thou Unohana’s seniority isnt something to take lightly, but yet again Kenpachi’s have a reputation of taking out their senior’s title, so Unohana & Azachiro can be debatable but the strongest Kenpachi is Zaraki…And as for Zaraki vs Aizen, i personally think Kubo did well by not making them cross path in the story coz to be frank if they did it would have done serious damage to either of the characters characterwise & i think Kubo didnt wat that, thou in my IMO i think Zaraki could have been a serious problem for Aizen, i think its why aizen was even avoiding him, Kyouka Suigetsu could probably not work on Zaraki since zaraki has shown several times to be able to actually use his massive reiryoku to neglect if not completely cancel kido based type attacks on him, hence why he is looking down at kido teachings & kido type zanpaktous since they cant really affect him & he doubt if their really of any use in battle if they cant really do a number on him, im just saying that this myt be also the reason why even Unohana never bothered using his zanpaktou kido abilities on him, maybe… its said that in their 2nd fight at the very end Unohana was actually was going all out on Zaraki but Zaraki actually managed to overcome her, the reason why Unohana didnt go all out at first is because she wanted Zaraki to retain his actual strength & wen he did she actually pushed him further by goimg all out until Zaraki actually managed to overcome her & defeat her, So personally IMO, i think base Aizen(without the Hogyoku) was no match for Zaraki, & for those who think Zaraki is dumb enough to defeat Aizen, let me just tel u that logic doesn’t work on Zaraki, Zaraki is illogical as they come, he doesnt care whether its 1 on 1 or 1 vs 2 or 1 vs 4, he never bothers himself to think of his odds coz he has no fear for death, & thats wat makes him so dangerous, & his killer instincts having played along the lines for so long btn life & death is wat makes him such a formidable as an opponents, i mean their is no an opponent that can face Zaraki without that fear of perhaps facing iminate death at his hands, too bad he is a carefree kinda of guy & less ambitious & only cares more for the love of fighting than anything else, its his strongest attribute but also his weakness, he could potentially be the strongest shinigami if he actually took tym to actually work on making himself even stronger in all areas(hakuda,hoho,zanjutsu,kido),but then, if he did he would actually have made a potential villain out of himself…

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    1. trinin ninja

      I respect your opinion on the matter. In my opinion, zaraki is squad zero material because it was stated somewhere that the 8th kenpachi was offered a position to join squad zero (like hikifune was) but he refused. Then during his battle with the 9th kenpachi, he refused to use his bankai because shunsui was present at the time and so he was killed only for not using his full power (there was also a decree by council 46 for him to not use his bankai in soul society). Then came the time where the squad zero came down from the soul king palace in order to take care of the 9th kenpachi but he immediately surrendered. He was imprisoned in muken for a little while until he was freed and soon yamamoto challenged zaraki to defeat the 9th kenpachi (I still dont know why yamaji did not take care of him. i think yamaji could have defeated the 9th kenpachi if je really tried). Zaraki eventually defeated the 9th kenpachi but soon requested that mayuri create a new eyepatch that would seal more reaitsu than before. Thus in my opinion zaraki may be squad zero material; thereby giving zaraki a chance to defeat the elite sternritter, especially if he releases his eyepatch.

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      1. Nick Dunn

        You mean the 7th Kenpachi didn’t use his Bankai whej he fought Azashiro. Because central 46 told him not too. So Azashiro took advantage of that. I have a feeling Azashiro is as strong as Kirio and Tenjiro. I view Shinigami Aizen as a little bit weaker than those two, but I see Oetsu, Shutara, and Ichibei being stronger. Yamamoto told Zaraki to defeat Azashiro because he was a previous Kenpachi, and Zaraki had to defend his title. Unohana could have defeated Azashiro, but she wasn’t fighting until Zaraki challenge her again. From what I see, Azashiro is very powerful, but like Aizen, his biggest weakest is his endurance. He died from one hit from Zaraki’s Raydon attack, while someone like Nnoitra survived that but was almost cut in half, and he has alot of Stamina. I consider Zaraki without his eyepatch and using Nozorashi is as strong as Shutara and Oetsu using Bankai maybe. But Ichibei is still stronger than him, and I think he needs Bankai to be stronger than Unohana.

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        1. trinin ninja

          Do you think yamamoto can defeat Azashiro? i would like your opinion on this subject if you dont mind because you are one of the most well-informed people i know of regarding bleach. ?

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          1. Nick Dunn

            Sure! I’m honored you think so! 🙂 I do believe Yamamoto can defeat Azashiro. For one thing, he can’t fuse with him, Yamamoto has so much heat he emits that it seems impossible to fuse with him, especially in Bankai. And the fact that he can release so much intense flames that he can cancel out all those 100 Hado 96 and 90. Even if some of those Kido hit him, it won’t hurt him that much, he survived his own Hado 96 against Aizen, and he was already burned firm his own Shikai’s flames. Yamamoto had too much destructive power for Azashiro to fuse with him, or the air around him. And if Azashiro fought Ichibei, You Already Know The Answer. His Ichimonji will ink him and he will be powerless.

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  28. trinin ninja

    There are lots of people who question if the bleach novel is canon or not. In the manga, aizen had both of his eyes sealed as well as his mouth. Then when yhwach came, we see that aizen has one eye and his mouth already unsealed. In the bleach novel it was explained that the 9th kenpachi unsealed one of aizen’s eyes and his mouth during his imprisonment so there you go. We also see that zaraki had a new eyepatch in the manga after the timeskip of ichigo losing his powers after the final getsuga tensho. In the novel, it was explained that zaraki requested to get a new eyepatch during the period of the timeskip.

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    1. Nick Dunn

      Those are canon. It fits perfectly with the story, like Elite Ace mentioned, Harribel and her Fraccion were healed by Orihime and they survived the Winter war, which is canon. You know, Kubo has whin Zaraki using his Reiatsu to negate powerful techniques, during the Zanpakuto arc, Mayuri’s Zanpakuto used his Bankai, and he removed the poison with his Reiatsu alone. Zaraki does hate most Kido Zanpakuto. Especially Kaname’s Suzumushi and Rose’s Kinshara. I think he would be impressed with Shunsui and Jushiro’s Zanpakuto, and even Hachi sense he killed Barragan like that. He would also like Shutara’s Zanpakuto cause she can cause serious damage with her cloth manipulation. During the Reigai arc, he didn’t like Kageroza’s Zanpakuto Raiku, which manipulates space. But he did like Nozomi’s Zanpakuto, which absorbs Reiatsu and Reishi and sends it back at you. Unohana’s Zanpakuto Minazuki is a Kido Type, whatever it can do, Zaraki would enjoy. I Believe Azashiro’s Zanpakuto is an Illusion type.

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  29. Josephia Jeremiah Bhwanah

    So, Azashiro died at the hands of Zaraki! & this were events happen before the lost shinigami arc & Aizen imprisionment!?Coz i started seeing zaraki with the new eye-patch in the lost shinigami arc…To be frank, i dont know much about Azashiro since i gather most of my info from bleach wikia & their is no any info on Azashiro, the 8th kenpachi, & i remember reading about it somewhere that those novels where written by Narita, now i dont know who that is but it also said those novels were not considered as canon by any means, thats why there r no lots of mentions of Azashiro the 8th kenpachi in most bleach main references, but since i was curious, i digged somewhere & managed to get the info about him, so i actually know very little of him & the events that came with him, & hey, i thout squad zero were admitted based on their acknowledgement on things they have done to have made significant contributions to the history of Soul Society hence why each of them as a title name based on their creation or invention..so wat made this guy to even be considered to be promoted as a squad zero member?!
    & yes, i too agree that Yamamoto could have defeated Azashiro if he was defeated by Zaraki during that time, trinin ninja, if u consider Zaraki squad zero material that just sits fine by me, thou i still think Shunsui & Ukitake r somehow still stronger than him at the moment…
    i also think Yamamoto was the second strongest shinigami in his prime, & i also find Yama & Unohana to be stronger than Kirio & Tenjiro…& also have a feeling that both Shunsui & Ukitake or one of them is going to surprise all of us in later chapters with his power display, i think their is a reason y Kubo still save these two guys for a rather good showing of their true strength…& since this is the final arc, i might as wel say i see Ichigo, Kenpachi Zaraki & Toshiro being the strongest shinigami in future than Yamaji ever was, i once said if ther is someone stronger than Ichibei, Ichibei himself would know given is hax ability..so i really cant commend anything on him…

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    1. Nick Dunn

      You can kind more information about the 7th and 8th Kenpachi through Fanfiction Bleach wiki, just type in Azashiro Kenpachi in Google and you’ll see it. Ya those two novels are canon. It really shows you how powerful Zaraki is, and how Aizen didn’t even won’t to fight him by trapping him in Hueco Mundo. I believe Kirio and Tenjiro are a little stronger than Shunsui and Jushiro, while I see Oetsu and Shutara being closer to Yamamoto, Unohana and Ichibei in power. I have a feeling Yhwach has an extra two Schutzstaffel members for Zaraki and maybe Hikifune, cause I don’t think Askin is strong enough to fight her and win, I see him taking on Kisuke, and two other Schutzstaffel members can take on Yoruichi and Tessai.

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    2. trinin ninja

      I think zaraki is on the level of squad zero in terms of strength but only if he removes his eyepatch while he uses his shikai. I thought squad zero offered the 7th kenpachi the opportunity to join them but he refused. Maybe he refused because of his friendship with shunsui? Why did squad zero want the 7th kenpachi? Was it because of his power? Squad zero are shinigami who contributed to the betterment of society. I might be one of the few people who think this but I slightly think that shunsui is close but not equal to squad zero in terms of strength. I also consider jugram more or less equal to the elite sternritter because of the fact that he was able to explain to the elites what was going on with yhwach after he absorbed the mimihagi (the elite sternritter were clueless).

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      1. Nick Dunn

        I guess we will see when Zaraki goes up to the Soul Palace. I don’t know if the Royal Guard did offer the 7th or 8th Kenpachi a position, I think the only one that was resent was Hikifune’s promotion. Hey, sense we all like Bleach, do ya’ll want to see some sites on Tumblr with Bleach humor?

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          1. Nick Dunn

            Okay! Bleachlists.tumblr.com and maounosekai.tumbler.com. the first blog, she writes fan made Bleach skits, and the 2nd one is fan art. 😉

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  30. Josephia Jeremiah Bhwanah

    thanks for the help Nick but i actually managed to get the info on bleach story wiki, & i also managed to get a summarized story of both volume 1 & 2 of the novel, the back-story in this is actually pretty interesting, i wish we could discuss it but that would make this conversation even longer & far stretched from the original subject, so i’ll get right to the point on what i personally think of it..I have done some digging & found out ther r actually Kubo approved, but, i can also see y most of the fandom does not consider them as canon, they are some facts in this novel that go completely against Kubo’s databooks & original ideas eg. Ichigo hollowfied bankai then is claimed to be even more powerful than Yammy’s resurrection which i have to say i find it completely ridiculous given what we have already come to learn of Ichigo’s powers now, it makes perfect sense to me how Ichigo is powerful now & i why he wasn’t then given the fact that as powerful as we thought he was or could have been then given wat he is, he actually still proved to have lack something, Gin in bankai fought hollowfied Ichigo’s bankai with ease & even had the upperhand & would have finished Ichigo if he wanted to given the true ability of his bankai, if ther is anything that this proved is that although Ichigo had the potential of being even more powerful than a mid-tier captain he still was young & lacked the skill to be compared to one in actual power given their experience & understanding of their power, so this makes perfect sense if now Ichigo understands his true power & given his strength now he can fight 4 sternritters in shikai which then he would have tried to defeat one of them in his hollowfied bankai, it also shows that all along as powerful as he seemed, he was still handicap hence why he didnt seem to appear as one of the powerful soul reapers then…Saying his bankai was stronger than espada 0 resurrection then completely tanish the espadas reputation in my IMO, & makes Aizen plans on creating & using them rather stupid, & if Ichigo’s hollow bankai was that powerful how in the world was he defeated by Ulquiorra!?(this also brings us back in the argument on who truly is the most powerful espada if Ulquiorra defeated Ichigo who according to this novel was considered powerful than in Yammy resurrection form, something which Kubo has already clarify to us in his last released databook)
    & another thing in this novel that seems off is the whole story about the former 0 espada before Yammy who later fought Zaraki, the whole story about this espada seem pretty far fetched to me & the explaination on wat made him a 0 espada had alot of round-abouts plus i just hated the whole idea of the existence of former zero espada, it was completely un-necessary to bring that up if u ask me..
    Another thing is wen u read it, one just cant help feeling that Kenpachi Zaraki is over-hyped & Aizen is abit under-rated, i mean ther was absolutely no need of trying to justify Azashiro’s power by under-rating Aizen’s Kyouka Suigetsu, & was it really neccessary to say that one of Azashiro’s power enables him to chant hundreds of “ittokaso” and “KUROHITSUGI” level kido at the same time, he just had to mention Aizen’s favourite kido to justify how good Azachiro is(completely un-necessary), the fact that Azashiro forced the Royal Guard’s hand & that he was imprisoned in Muken just shows how dangerous & powerful he really was…& since this was a novel u would expect it clarify more about somethings rather than leaving them hanging eg what was the reason for the 7th Kenpachi to even be considered for promotion amongst the Royal guard!? i would have really like to know about that rather than to have a long explaination about the former 0 espada which was utterly ridiculous & makes no sense at all
    But, for Kubo to acknowledge it ther must be a upside to it to where Kubo sees some stuff in same prespective as the writter of these novels does…they are some interesting stuff thou, as i read it, i really came to like the 7th Kenpachi, as the matter of fact the back story about the 7th & the 8th Kenpachi is what makes this novel rather interesting & alive since most of the stuff r rather spot on & dont seem far fetched & fit well to Kubo’s vision of things, it also mentions “Ashido” as being a former member of squad 11 under “Kuruyashiki” the 7th kenpachi, which i actually find it to be very interesting, Shunsui & Kuruyashiki were friends, & also like that Kuruyashiki once made a comment that he would have love to have a fight with his best friend Shunsui or Ukitake since he think they were rather intriguing opponents & therefore made a wishful comment that he actually wanted to have a fight with either one of them(this just shows that he actually acknowledges the strength of these two & believe them to be stronger than the rest, something which Yamaji himself once pointed out as them being stronger than the rest of the Captains in Gotei) which sitted very well with me, also as u read it, u also come learn that some Captains had experience with laying Vastro-lorde Menos class even then, the 7th Kenpachi being one of the few..It also shows that “Kuruyashiki” was someone that people looked up too, it just shows wat a character he was..and the fact he held back his bankai in his fight against the 8th kenpachi inorder to not kill the 200 squad members of the gotei 13 in the area plus his friend Shunsui who was watching the battle with rest of the members, even at the cost of his own death just shows what a character he is…To make the long story short i’ll just say that ther some things which really stand out in this novel but also they r somethings that r way of & yet r claimed as facts, plus u cant read this novel without having a feel as the story goes on that its more of a fanfiction than the actual thing coz of the way its written, & to be frank, the writting in this isnt top notch & its something only a bleach fan would read & find it interesting,..Whether i personally it can be considered as canon or not!? wel, i have to agree with many that this is by no means a Canon thou Kubo acknowldged it, i would rather stick with what Kubo himself has written even thou i cant help wishing Kubo could reflect on abit onto few of the interesting bits of this novel into his original story like the back-story about the kenpachis, i would really loved that…
    & guys, i would like if we stick abit onto this discussion, i know bleach chapter 624 is coming out tomorrow but that does mean we should get on with this discussion…

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    1. Nick Dunn

      I guess it does seem weird. I think the only part of those novels that aren’t cannon was the 7th Kenpachi asking to be part of the Zero Division. 2 years ago we found out how you become a Royal Guard Member. The 7th Kenpachi didn’t invent anything significant to the Soul Society. The only other Captain I think did was Unohana. She created The Art of Killing, something that makes a Shinigami so powerful, they are finally at their fullest of power. All powerful Shinigami know this style, Yamamoto taught it to Shunsui, Jushiro, and Chojiro, and I think Unohana taught everyone else. Of course she wouldn’t take the promotion, because she wanted to wait for Zaraki to be the next Kenpachi. Plus, we didn’t know about Hikifune until she was promoted, it’s obvious she was their during this 7th and 8th Kenpachi issue, and she is stronger than Shunsui and Jushiro, plus her technique Cage of Life, absorbs Reiatsu and Reishi, is badass. The whole 0 Espada seems uncanon to me. The former Espada have shown to be weaker than the current ones. Dordoni, Cirucci, and Gantenbain were the former 3rd, 5th, and 7th Espada, and they are weaker than most Espada, Neliel being the only exception, sense she seems close or equal to Ulquiorra. Yammy was only th 0 Espada when he finally raised his Reiatsu and Reiyoku to use his Ressreccion. I think if Zaraki and Aizen did fight, Zaraki would win. But it wouldn’t be easy. That seems to be the only cannon thing other than Zaraki Killing Azashiro. The novels have shown Zaraki to have amazing endurance. And in the manga he has proven that. He survived having his throat cut by Nnoitra, and having his organs damaged by Gremmy’s Galaxy Room, and having like 10 Gremmy clones self detonating at close range. However, this new Aizen seems to be more of a challenge than Shinigami Zaraki.

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    2. trinin ninja

      It looks like no bleach tomorrow. my favorite part in the novel is the history behind the previous kenpachis. The zero espada thing is a bit confusing (no fictionial story makes absolutely perfect sense), however if it were animated, it would probably look nice. To me, the 8th kenpachi was the most interesting character of the novel, but after him would be shunsui’s friend, the 7th kenpachi, in my opinion (shunsui even said that defeating the 7th kenpachi in 1 hit like the 8th kenpachi did is almost impossible). The 8th kenpachi could fuse with almost anything (people, air, earth, etc), create mutiple arms that could use hado 90, i mean the list goes on.

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      1. Nick Dunn

        Ya Azashiro can do a lot of things he is very powerful. More powerful than Aizen. Apparently, Kuruyashiki’s Zanpakuto is a living creature like Unohana’s Shikai Minazuki. The only things in those manga I don’t think are canon is the whole promotion thing, I mean these novels came out in 2012, and in 2013 or maybe 2014, Kubo explained what it takes to be promoted to the Royal Guard. Kuruyashiki didn’t create anything, so his promoted offer seems false to me. Same with the whole previous 0 Espada. And one more thing, the novels said Kuruyashiki was capable of Killing Vasto Lorde level Menos. Which is basically White, Past Harribel, past Ulquiorra, and past Barragan. Kubo showed us what happens when a Vasto Lorde fights a Captain stronger than average Captains, and almost as strong as Senior Captain level like Shunsui and Jushiro, if Aizen didn’t injure him, Isshin could have killed White, and Masaki did it with little effort.

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  31. Josephia Jeremiah Bhwanah

    Kirio Hikifune was ther but was not a Royal guard at the time, she was a Captain, she was promoted to Royal guard ranks 140 years from then…I personally think she was chosen more coz of her invention, the senior Captains(Shunsui,Ukitake,Unohana) have always been considered to be more powerful than the rest in the Gotei 13 therefore Hikifune was by no means powerful than Ukitake, Shunsui or Unohana if we consider this fact, thou i admit she isn’t to be taken lightly given her inventions & wat she is able to do with them..I dont know abt Tenjiro, thou he proves to be much of a fighter & stronger & was a Royal Guard member before Hikifune but if he too came from the Shiro academy & not before then, he too like Hikifune might have been chosen mainly coz of wat he invented, As for Shutara, Oetsu & Ichibei, well, apart from being inventors themselves & oldest Royal Guard members that existed long before the gotei 13, they prove to be quite stronger compared to captains of the gotei 13 given their experience & seniority..& since the admittance for one to be a Royal Guard member considers mostly their acknowledgement on things one has done to have made significant contributions to the history of Soul Society, i guess its safe to assume that ones power isnt considered to be a factor for one to be admitted into the ranks hence why i think just bcoz Hikifune was promoted to be Royal guard doesnt mean she was even stronger than other captains but rather her invention is what made her to be chosen among their ranks

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    1. Nick Dunn

      Well you not only need to invent something, but you need the lower to be a member. Kubo said out of the current Gotei 13, only Yamamoto and Unohana can be members of the Royal Guard. He never said Shunsui or Jushiro can be members. That shows Hikifune being stronger than them. And the way Kubo shows the Royal Guard is how he sees the strength difference between them. The order in which you visit them is how strong they are. Tenjiro 1st, Kirio 2nd, Oetsu 3rd, Shutara 4th, and Ichibei 5th. I consider Tenjiro the weakest member of the Royal Guard, but that doesn’t mean he isn’t strong, he is stronger than Shunsui and Jushiro. While we don’t know Hikifune’s Zanpakuto, but from what i see, her Zanpakuto manipulates plant life. Its pretty cool and an awesome elemental type. As strong as Shunsui and Jushiro are, they aren’t stronger than the Royal Guard members.

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    1. Nick Dunn

      I do believe Kuruyashiki and Azashiro are as strong as current Divine Generals like Hikifune and Tenjiro. But like I said before, these novels were written before Kubo revealed what requirements you need to become a Divine General.

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  32. trinin ninja

    i predict grimjow is going to have a cool new look when he returns. I wonder who Tite will make him fight with? ? maybe pernida or x-axis….

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    1. Nick Dunn

      I think he will also have a new look. But I don’t believe he or any Arrancar can fight the Schutzstaffel. He will fight the Quincicar in Hueco Mundo. 🙂

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  33. Josephia Jeremiah Bhwanah

    Sorry for a late response, we had power issues for a couple of days or so, so i couldnt check in..
    Nick, The only qualification of strength if u ask me for one to be a Royal Guard is for one to be a captain since the Royal guard members r all former captains, I can understand if Kubo said that Yamamoto & Unohana r the only ones that can be members of the royal guard since they too have made their share into the history of Soul Society(Yama started the Gotei 13 & Unohana invented the art of killing as u put it) again, its not the matter of power but rather the significance of what one has done to deserve to be in their ranks, Now, i know their combined power is said to surpasses the power of the Gotei 13…But i dont think their power solely lies on individual strength but rather their capability given their inventions & unique abilities put all together is wat makes them stronger than even the gotei 13…Yamamoto myt as wel be the strongest shinigami if only Ichibei didn’t have such an hax(unique) ability, Unohana too myt as wel be equally strong as any other Royal guard member as u put it “Nick”, Zaraki too, So why not the current Captain Commander & his pal!? I still think their stronger than Zaraki at the moment & u consider Zaraki to be as strong as the Royal Guard, so why cant these two be as strong or rather, stronger than Hikifune & perhaps Tenjiro since u consider him to be below “Hikifune”, & why do u consider Hikifune stronger than Ukitake & Shunsui to begin with!? Considering the fact that these two have always been the strongest since the establishment of the gotei 13, bcoz she was chosen to be a Royal Guard!? i dont think thats is reason enough as we have already established that Royal Guard members r rather chosen for their uniqueness/invention/contribution to have been of significance to the very history of SS..& trinin, i know u’ll say it doesnt have too make sense since its manga but none the less i’ll say that for me & many other fans it doesnt make any sense for Kuruyashiki to be chosen simply bcoz he is powerful, while they were individuals like Shunsui, Unohana, Ukitake & Azashiro who were equally if not powerful than the 7th kenpachi, i would like to think that Royal guard r chosen for rather their uniqueness & invention other than power(eg. Ichibei is unique/Oetsu for his invention) since all the royal guard abilities can not only be used for combat but also can be used for good, all the 7th kenpachi’s abilities were more combat related & destructive than anything else & he wasn’t even the strongest, so why was he even considered for promotion!? thats y i didnt considered that part of the novel to be uncanon to me since it doesn’t even say the reason as to why he was considered for promotion to begin with…i can understand a “manga” likely to miss explaining that fact but not a novel

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    1. Nick Dunn

      Oh I’m sorry! I hope your okay now! Anyway, Yamamoto and Unohana are really the only Captains that can be Divine Generals from the reasons you said. But also because they have the strength. I also don’t believe the whole 7th Kenpachi promotion thing is canon for your reasons and mine as well. Its not like anyone can be apart of the Royal Guard. From what I see, Kisuke and Yoruichi have been to the Royal Realm before. Kisuke did invent the 3 day method for Bankai, and Yoruichi invented a few powerful Shunpo techniques. But due they have the strength to be Divine Generals? Close, like Shunsui and Jushiro, but not quite. With Zaraki he is a special case. His power differs for so many reasons. When he has his eye patch, he is definitely weaker than Shunsui and Jushiro, but without it, he rivals them using their Shikai. But when he uses his Shikai Nozorashi, that all depends. Shunsui could have trained Zaraki in The Art of Killing for a bet a day, but he would eventually lose before Zaraki can be reborn his full potential again, that’s why he left Unohana to do it, sense she is not only the one who created the technique, but she we as much stronger. I do believe Hikifune is stronger than Shunsui and Jushiro. They both individually would give her one hell of a fight, but would still lose. In my mind , I see Hikifune and Tenjiro defeating Yamamoto together, where’s Shunsui and Jushiro can’t, but again they come close. It should make sense each Royal Guard member is very powerful, how else can they as a group be superior than the Soul Society’s main military force. Like I said before, I rank the Divine Generals power in the order which Kubo introduces them weakest to strongest.

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  34. trinin ninja

    i think the original gotei 13 had yamaji, unohana, an ancestor of sajin, an ancestor of byakuya, kirinji, ouetsu, shutara and six other unknowns.?

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    1. Nick Dunn

      It’s possible Sajin’s grandfather was a Shinigami. But I believe Genrei was the first Captain of the 6th Division, Hikifune is 12th, Yamamoto 1st, Unohana 11th, Tenjiro 4th, Yoruichi’s father or mother 2nd, Oetsu 7th like you said a while back Trinin, And Shutara maybe 3rd? Ya the tall guy looks like Tenjiro. And of course Shunsui 8th and Jushiro 13th

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  35. trinin ninja

    concerning the 7th kenpachi, maybe the soul king was interested in him in a similar way to how he was interested in ichigo or maybe Tite made up a way to join squad zero that was not revealed when the novel, “Spirits are Forever With You”, came out.
    http://m.mangatown.com/manga/bleach/v53/c520/16.html
    In bleach chapter 520, kirinji says soul king is interested in ichigo but there is no mention of ichigo becoming a member of squad zero like the 7th kenpachi was offered so maybe there is a connection between these two cirumstances?

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  36. trinin ninja

    kirinji was said to be know as “lightning fast kirinji” because of his speed but he was also a healer so maybe he was in squad 2, which is known to have fast soul reapers like soi fon and yoruichi or most likely he was in squad 4, the medical squad.

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    1. Nick Dunn

      Ya I know it’s a stretch with Tenjiro. True his skill in Shunpo is amazing. The way he surprised Sui-Feng was very impressive. But again, the Captains of 2nd Division, as well as the Onmitsukido Commander, are all related to Yoruichi. The only Commander and Captain that isn’t related to Shihoin was Sui-Feng, and her family lives to fight for the Shihoin clan. Tenjiro doesn’t fit that profile. He is a master Kaido healer. He is more skilled in Kaido than Unohana, the best Kiado master in the current Gotei 13 and Isane 2nd. If he is the best healer, it makes sense he is the first Captain of the 4th Division.

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      1. trinin ninja

        If kirinji was known as lightning fast when he was in the gotei 13, then was there an ancestor to yoruichi’s clan that was faster than him in the original gotei 13?

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        1. Nick Dunn

          That’s what u think. That, or the Shihoin ancestor died during the first blood war, and Tenjiro became the fastest Shunpo user after his or her death.

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            1. Nick Dunn

              Thanks! 🙂 I like your opinions too Trinin. I like how you guessed Oetsu being the 7th Division founder because the Captains and Vice Captains after him all wear sun glass except Sajin. They all have Zanpakuto related to Samurai as well. Oetsu’s Zanpakuto Sayabuse, which has the ability to severely injure you or kill you depending on the magnitude of the cut, and it’s Shikai is just a regular katana.

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  37. trinin ninja

    if yamaji created the academy in which shunsui and jushiro graduated from, then the original 13 probably did not include them. Maybe yamaji was offered a position to join squad zero because he created the academy? Also wasnt it said that yamaji’s zanpakuto was the oldest and most powerful fire type? So what about ichiebi’s? And if oetsu created zanpakuto then did he create ichibei’s too?

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    1. Nick Dunn

      Shunsui and Jushiro were the first Captains to graduate from the Shinigami Academy. I can guess the other Captains like Tenjiro, Hikifune, Oetsu, and Shutara already became Shinigami their own way because they are older. Yamamoto’s Zanpakuto is the oldest Zanpakuto, and the most powerful elemental type Zanpakuto. But I believe Ichibei’s Zanpakuto and Unohana’s Zanpakuto are the strongest Kido Type Zanpakuto, and I think Zaraki’s Zanpakuto is the strongest Meele type Zanpakuto. And I think Azashiro’s Zanpakuto is the strongest Illusion type Zanpakuto.

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  38. trinin ninja

    For the 7th kenpachi, his entire background is a mystery so maybe Tite could throw in something that nobody knew concerning him like he created hakudo or something. That way it would somewhat make the promotion to zero squad a little more believeable.

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    1. Nick Dunn

      That seems logical to me. Does the novel say how old Kuruyashiki is? They did say Azashiro was about 1000 years old. Sense he was friendly with Shunsui and Jushiro, he probably is almost 2000 years old. From what I saw 110 years ago, Shunsui and Jushiro got along very well with Hikifune.

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      1. trinin ninja

        I dont think the novel says how old the 7th kenpachi was but considering that he was best friends with shunsui he probably was hundreds if not thousands of years old. Hikifune was there when the 7th kenpachi was there too.

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        1. Nick Dunn

          Ya she was. It doesn’t surprise me. Kubo said she was a Captain longer than Shinji was, and Shinji, Yoruichi, and Tessai were all Captains for about 200 years, during the Azashiro crisis, they were all Vice Captains or lower. I believe the Royal Guard was founded by Ichibei, and he took Shutara and Oetsu as his first members. The whole point of the Royal Guard is to protect the Soul King, and maybe during the first blood war, he almost killed him, or maybe the Soul King was showing too much of his power and was running wild against the Quincy, maybe that’s why they sealed him in that Kido crystal. And even before that, Mimihagi separated from the Soul King 2000 years ago, when Jushiro was 3 years old.

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